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Thread: Two Years Goes Flying By... (2 parts)

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    Default Two Years Goes Flying By... (2 parts)

    Year one was summarised in this post... http://www.emigratenz.org/forum/showthread.php?t=30340

    Read on for some very random thoughts and observations after two tears on the ground.
    Well it seems incredible but we've now sailed through our two year anniversary, barely even stopping for breath to recognize this event.
    I'm sharing a few thoughts and very personal opinions on our time here - not just about us, but about others we have met on this amazing journey.
    From our point of view we are so settled it is a lovely feeling. In fact almost too settled… The first year was a fantastic series of new experiences, highs and lows, new people, new activities and thoroughly making the most of everything around us. If anything during our second year we might have taken our eye off the ball a little and got a little bit complacent about where we are and the opportunities open to us.
    Having said that it all started well with our newly found hobbies of swimming and running. My wife entered the Auckland Marathon and despite an almost unbelievable series of injuries and setbacks still managed to complete the half marathon getting that all important, iconic run across the bridge. I'm still not sure how she managed to do it - the determination and dedication to recover from injury after injury was phenomenal.
    On my part I also completed a milestone - swimming the Auckland harbor as part of the Ocean Swim Series.
    Now, we know that people run and swim in the UK, but we didn't. Something about moving made us pick up our feet and get on and do something. This is one of the most overwhelming characteristics of our trip - we feel so able to just try new things because stuff is accessible and it's part of the fabric of being here to just try stuff.

    Visitors - We had our first family visitors after 18 months on the ground. We'd also had a solid friend visit in the first year and a couple of other visitors staying for a night or just meeting up for a meal. In general though we've had relatively few visitors and in retrospect we're actually really grateful for this. The number of visitors and the duration of their stays is an area that seems to massively vary between different immigration experiences. We loved having our visitors, don't get me wrong, but I wonder if too many early on upsets the process of settling in.
    We have one set of friends who received a series of visitors immediately after landing. From one week to the next they were never on their own for months and months. then the visitors stopped coming and these friends realized they were nine months into their stay and they'd made no friends. They'd developed no network and they were extremely down for a period. This is a story we've heard similar versions of on a number of occasions. People who have lots of visitors staying for extended periods early on don't seem to settle as well. There are some sound reasons for this that I can see. You will live a different lifestyle with visitors in your house. It's impossible not to. You feel obliged to tour-guide them, there are issues of how much people contribute to the experience (treating your house like a hotel) and it's disruptive for kids and routines. If you want to spend time with them you're using up precious annual leave or taking expensive unpaid leave.
    I just want to re-emphasize at this point that these are purely my observations and opinions and many people will have had or witnessed very different experiences.
    The other major visitors we have had are a truly fantastic family from Christchurch who came up to stay with us after the February earthquake. They are also from the UK and chose ChCh because it offered everything they wanted in terms of lifestyle and size and career opportunities and safety. They are choosing to return to the UK later this year because the combined effects of moving, being new parents and the enormous mental strain of coping with the earthquakes and subsequent thousands upon thousands of aftershocks is just too much for them. We love these guys and they have coped amazingly but sometimes no matter how much planning and preparation you do, things just don't work out. They are hanging on for their returning residents visas and aren't ruling out coming back in the future but by the end of the year they'll be back in the UK.
    A last word on visitors: When you are talking about your imminent travels with friends, family and colleagues you will likely invite everyone to come and stay (maybe believing that they won't be able to manage without you - they will) and expect everyone to willingly give up several thousand pounds and several weeks of their holiday in order to come and visit you (most wont). Don't under-estimate the dedication required to make such a huge commitment of time and money. And don't think you can predict who will visit (you can't). Inviting people to stay is perfectly normal of course. I think it's the reaction of the social programming we all have that stops us just saying the truth "After I leave, we'll probably never see each other again. Or if we do it will be years down the track and by coincidence. Bye"
    Skype - When it comes to communicating with friends and relatives, Skype has a lot going for it. It's free, you get to see the person and it's reasonably reliable. One of the principle downsides is that unless you and all your contacts leave your machines connected all the time with Skype running, you still need to agree a time for a call. When there are kids involved the time differences get tricky. It's very difficult to find a slot where kids can talk to kids due to bed times etc. You can still maintain a reasonable relationship via Skype, but something we have learned is that it doesn't suit every person or relationship. My wife likes to walk around whilst she talks on the phone so to sit down at a computer and use Skype is just not natural for her. So don't disregard the simple telephone. With calling cards and inclusive bundles you can call really cheaply internationally and for some it'll win hands down over Skype.
    In terms of keeping in touch we have found our blog to be the most indispensable tool. The family keep up with it and are fairly well up to date on our activities, thoughts, moods and feelings all the time. This alone, I believe, helps people to feel connected. It also let's you have shorter and less frequent direct conversations, something that will become important once you've found your own hobbies and past-times. If you want to write a blog I suggest that you try and stick to a frequency you are comfortable with and stick to it. If nothing exciting has happened you can still talk about how you feel and what you have been doing, even if it seems mundane to you. Obviously not too much repetition here, but it helps to paint the picture that you're not just on holiday, you have got a new job and life and challenges as well as rewards.

    Continued in next post....
    EOI submitted 8 Sept 08
    ITA submitted 10 Dec 08
    We've got PR 3 April 09!!


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    Default Two Years goes flying by (part 2)

    Part 2 of our two year post

    Job Hunting - Part of my job involves recruitment of software developers. Java developers to be specific so I'm pretty close to the IT job market in that development space. It's an interesting market at the moment. There are a lot of candidates out there, but the quality is not great. Our perception is that the people already on the ground here who are any good are hanging onto their jobs. In general of course no-one knows what to expect of the economy, but some believe we are in for a bit of a double dip recovery. So the market has been picking up, but may well crash back again soon. Of course if I could predict such things I'd be a very rich man. If I have any advice or observations for people it is this. When we recruit it's because we need someone. We plan on being able to get someone into a position within six to eight weeks to allow time for the recruitment process and their notice period. I won't even look at CV's that don't already have the right permits to work in NZ. I get enough through who are ready and waiting on the ground here. If I get a CV through for someone not currently living in NZ but with PR I MIGHT telephone interview them IF they are exceptional. If they are not ready to come out immediately though, I'll probably not continue with them as a candidate. All our good recent hires have been new people off the boat. As an employer and an immigrant I see some risks involved in employing immigrants though. I lost one who had to return back to the UK for various reasons. So sound committed and sound convincing when you explain why you have moved. It costs thousands of dollars to recruit someone. I don't want my new starters to leave after six months and that is more likely if the family is not settling or there is a problem back in the UK or they aren't earning as much as they hoped to etc.. Although it sounds harsh, the fact that you have made this supreme effort to come out matters not one bit to me as a recruiter - even though I was on the other side of the desk at one point in time. It's certainly an interesting conversation point and Kiwi's love you telling them how nice their country is… but at the end of the day I'm trying to build a team and I'm still looking at relevant skills and abilities and when I interview you, I want to get the feeling that you aren't a dick. These comments are only directly applicable to the Auckland IT market. Other locations and industries will undoubtedly vary.

    The major things that define our second year here are things that are not really anything to do with emigrating as such. Our girls are growing and changing by the day. The youngest is now three (she was just 11 months when we flew out) so she has learned to walk and talk and climb and and run and is an amazing explosion of energy. Our eldest has started school and learned to read and write beautifully. The school do amazing things with them. In general she has had a really positive experience. We've had a bit of a set-to with the principle in regard to multiple teachers sharing the class. It's just not worked for the kids and is really disruptive. That's all sorted now though…

    The other major piece of excitement is my wife starting up her own business. She's a smart PR brain and has set up a business providing services ranging from copywriting up to strategic communications consultancy. She named the company 'co-writer' as in a co-driver for your words and writing. It's started well and I'm really excited about it!

    All of that would probably have happened in the UK so life is very much about living at the moment. As we enter our third year we are trying to rediscover some of that original spirit which drove us through the long and time consuming process of applying and moving. Rediscover some of the enthusiasm to try new stuff and get out there and do things. This is going pretty well so far because we've just spent a weekend away down in the snow at Ohakune. My wife and eldest took to skis, I stayed on three year old duty. Skiing and cold weather sports are not something we've been into - we like our warm beaches!
    But again, somehow it seems nearer and more accessible here.

    My final comment is that we still love it. We're staying and wish anyone else trying to move the best of luck.

    If you have any specific questions about our experiences our this post please feel free to ask. I cant promise I'l respond to all of them, but will be as open and honest as I can!

    Steve
    EOI submitted 8 Sept 08
    ITA submitted 10 Dec 08
    We've got PR 3 April 09!!


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    Impressive - and good on you!


    I suggest you do an extract re recruitment etc. and start a separate thread on it!

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    Great post(s), Steve. Frankness is needed. Thank you for sharing, particularly for those of us who will be applying for jobs! J

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    Great post...and sorry to hear about your friends from Christchurch, although it is a familiar tale I am always sorry to hear about another family for whom it is just too much. Earthquakes never featured in anyone's plans!
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    Great Post!! and I also found the recruitment part REALLY helpful! I always wonder if i should apply when i get my PR, but if we aren't ready to move i am not so sure that is the right thing to do. from your post i see it's probably best to start applying once we get closer to that final date of moving, and can say we will be there within x amount of weeks.

    Thanks again!!!!
    Last edited by thedans; 10th August 2011 at 08:24 AM.
    Submitted EOI on 09-04-11
    EOI selected on 20-04-11
    ITA Recieved on 09-05-11
    ITA Sent out on 18-07-11
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    Great reading- and I can only second about the 'having vositors too early' part...

    Our son had a mate (it was not even a close friend, but he thought they were closer as they actually were) coming to visit in the first winter we were here, and I have to say in hindsight it was the worst thing to do! Apart from the fact that the boy was not a nice person to have around and not interested in anything except the computer, he interrupted our son's process of having more contact with his new classmates. He needs a while to warm up and it was just getting to that stage.
    Because the visiting boy did not want to take part in anything and because our son did not want to let him sit around on his own he stopped going out with his new friends and somehow never really started again.

    I know that everyone is different, but in his case it definitely was the wrong timing!
    Renate

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    Nice update bergines
    9/3 eoi submitted 145 points with job offer
    11/3 selected
    27/3 Decision Successful
    30/3 ITA sent
    8/4 CO assessing
    21/4 Approved
    22/4 Fly to Wellington
    07/5 Blueys
    11/5 Start Work
    breathe...

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    Nice honest update. Thanks for sharing.
    EOI Submitted 24/02/09. Decision Successfull 06/03/09.
    ITA Received 07/03/09. ITA Submitted 11/05/09. ITA Lodged 12/05/09.
    PR 1/06/09. Blue Stickers in passports!! 19/06/09. Arrived 16/08/09.

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    Brilliant post. Well done you. Nice to hear all your insights. Hope year 3 is a fab one. :O)

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