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    Default Flatly declined visitor partnership visa. Can I & my wife ever live together in NZ?

    Hi Everyone, this is my first post after a lot of reading on this forum. I can see some commenters here, for example the admins, are from what I now know bang on with their advice and also very clear. I include anonymised correspondence between my immigration lawyer and CO, to make the basis of the decline as clear as possible. The lawyer made no promises of success and I see no point in second guessing their work. However, from these forums I can see that we did not live together anywhere near long enough to get a visitor partnership visa. I do not know now we are married and flatly partnership based visa declined if she can apply for a standard visitor visa. I did actually think this would be the case before we married and applied for her visa, based on what I read in the INZ web pages, and warned my wife and her family accordingly, but let myself be swayed by the firmly expressed opinions of others, family friends and advisors who seemed to know better.

    My wife is in her last week of being a nanny working in Singapore (under the Overseas Filipino worker program). She had resigned her current post effective dated of visa decision or end March, in the expectation of a visa to reunite with me in NZ. She has been flatly declined any sort of partnership visitor visa to NZ, bonded, limited, or of any duration as you will read below. The immigration specialist lawyer, wasn't cheap. The immigration lawyer prepared as much documentation as legally possible themselves. This was done in the hope of presenting some sort of special case of the difficulties and limitations of our situation. My wife, having neither job nor visa now, will return to her family farm in the Philippines provinces. Her family will look after her, (she knows local farming techniques also), and I can stay there with her for the month or so at a time I could afford to stay. I would also help out on the farm. The way the climate is going NZ may need rice farmers soon enough!

    Because of her live in /more than full time nanny job, and the culture of the provinces her family are from, we could only meet when she was on holiday, we had to marry to travel together and she wanted her parents present, so it had to be on one of her annual trips back home. Even if they wanted to travel, which they didn't, I could not afford their airfares. Her 2 year, 12-15 hour a day, 6 day a week $SG 450 a month live in nanny contract was up for renewal July 2014. I have met her employers, (nice enough folks, one is a kiwi, the other a filipina), having travelled back to Singapore with her before coming home. I know her personal life, daily routines quite comprehensively having spent averages of 1 -2 hours each day in conversation with her and she is a very genuine person with very simple aspirations and values in life that I share with her. I am not rich, just an ordinary working man, and she has known this from the outset. We married without doubt or hesitation after a short but very happy courtship. Please note she has not married before, has no children and has been a live in nanny in Singapore many years.

    One further consideration, a senior manager for my employer has said they might be able to sponsor her employment into work as a caregiver. I will be able to follow up on this next week.

    So anyway the legal fees, the 18 day trip to The Philippines, Singapore and back, and the wedding, simple as it was, have not left me with a lot of change, just what I need for her airfares and to sponsor her expected 9 months with me providing free accommodation. Fortunately, I am in an occupation where I can always pick up work on return home, but cannot continuously afford to be away more than a month at a time, two months or so working. Also fortunately she only has one relative she supported at all out of her meager salary, (tuition for her younger sister who is finishing her last year at a naval academy) so this is no great burden at all. I would appreciate any advice on what our options are for living together again, ideally where at least one of us has a job that will support us.

    The advice of declined visa follows. I received it after enquiring of the Immigration advocate below why, (as relayed by the advocate in a separate email), my wife was suddenly asked to urgently collect her documents, as we were given no reason. We even wondered if the visa might have been granted..silly us...but something told me to reply to the advocate bluntly demanding to know why. Just before my wife was heading off I got this email:


    Hello XXXX:

    Yesterday I received for the first time the email which appears below, from the officer in Singapore who has now, I am very sorry to say, declined XXXXs Visitor Visa application.

    I have been in meetings all day and I see that now there is some pressure to have XXXX “pick up documents”; I just have not had a chance to send you this notification until now.

    I am extremely disappointed with this decision. I understand of course that it is a lot harder on you I have some clear suggestions of what to do next, that I would like to discuss with you. I am “booked out” on Monday, but on pretty much any day other than Monday next week I should be able to meet with you and go over what we do next. Please let me know a day and time that works for you.

    Don’t give up hope. Cheers. XXXX


    XXXX
    Barrister and Solicitor/Immigration Lawyer/Notary Public
    XXXX

    From: XXXX
    Sent: Thursday, 6 March 2014 2:57 p.m.
    To: XXXX
    Subject: RE: Visitor visa application - XXXX

    Dear XXXX

    This application has been declined on 27 Feb 2014. The passport, decline letter and originals were sent to the Visa Application Centre (VAC) on 28 Feb 2014 for collection. When VAC received the passport/documents, they will send an email to the contact email address provided in the application form to inform that a decision has been made on the application and the documents ready for collection at VAC. For this application, no email contact is provided in the application form. VAC advised that for those applications with no email address provided, they will call the contact person if the documents are not collected after 5 working days. Below is a copy of the decline letter.

    27 February 2014

    Application number: XXXX
    Client number: XXXX

    XXXX

    c/o XXXX
    XXXX Immigration Law Firm
    P O Box XXXX
    XXXX
    New Zealand

    Dear XXXX

    Application for a visitor visa for:

    Applicant: XXXX

    Date of birth:XXXX

    We refer to your application for a visitor visa based on partnership submitted on 10 February 2014.

    Our decision on your application

    We have declined your application because you do not meet the requirements set out in partnership immigration instructions.

    To be issued a visa based on partnership, applicants need to demonstrate that they are living together in a partnership that is genuine and stable with their New Zealand partner.

    Factors that have a bearing on whether two people are living together in a partnership that is genuine and stable include but are not limited to:

    - the duration of the parties relationship;

    - the existence, nature, and extent of the parties' common residence;

    - the degree of financial dependence or interdependence, and any arrangements for financial support, between the parties;

    - the common ownership, use, and acquisition of property by the parties;

    - the reputation and public aspects of the relationship.


    According to submission, you and your New Zealand partner

    - met on an internet dating website in late August 2013

    - declared you were in a relationship on Facebook in September 2013

    - communicate frequently via Skype, Viber, Whatsapp, occasionally by cellphone

    - got married in Philippines on 03 January 2014 (date of issue of the marriage certificate)

    You and your New Zealand partner 'met' each other via internet only in late August 2013, met each other in person on 23 December 2013, married on 03 January 2014, and your New Zealand partner returned to New Zealand on 09 January 2014.

    Considering the very short duration of your relationship and the very limited time spent together, we are unable to be satisfied that you have demonstrated that the partnership is genuine and stable. We are not satisfied that you meet the partnership requirements of living together in a genuine and stable partnership.

    We have considered whether the imposition of a bond or the granting of a limited visa would mitigate our concerns but we do not think that they would. We have also considered whether there are any special circumstances which would warrant an exception to immigration instructions but we can find no reason to grant a visa as an exception.

    Your application is therefore declined. Please note that there is no right of appeal or reconsideration against this decline decision. You may apply again should you have new information. Any new application would be considered against the instructions applicable at the time of application and will be subject to approval. You should be aware that if your circumstances are still the same then it is unlikely that a new application would be approved.

    Yours sincerely

    XXXX

    Immigration Officer

    Immigration New Zealand

    New Zealand Visa Application Centre

    XXXX

    From: XXXX
    Sent: Thursday, 6 March 2014 5:54 a.m.
    To: XXXX
    Subject: Re: Visitor visa application -XXXX

    Dear XXXX

    I am writing this on behalf of Ms XXXX’s immigration lawyer, Mr XXXX who I am working with at The XXXX Law Firm.

    Please find a scanned copy of Ms XXXX’s Singaporean police certificate.

    We would be grateful if you could please advise how long it would take for you to finalise this application.

    Please do not hesitate to contact us if you require further information or documents for the processing of this application.

    XXXXX
    Immigration Law Advocate

    XXX Law Firm
    Last edited by queny; 9th March 2014 at 08:55 PM.

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