New Zealand Certificate in Cookery (NZQF Level 4)

[Harry_5598]

Hi there,
This is my first post so if I am posting it at the wrong thread please forgive me.
Ok so I have a few questions about applying for residency.I have just enrolled myself in New Zealand Certificate in Cookery (NZQF Level 4).
Now my sole aim is to get residency.I have been in the country for almost 5 years and my previous boss mucked me around ( long story).
At the Moment I have two Job offers one is Pack and save and they are giving me Baker Assistant Position the second one is a family run business where we cook food like casseroles,soups,macaroni and cheese and make sandwiches of different types.The second Job is related to something I would be actually studying at my collage and the practicals we have at collage I am doing the same stuff at the second job.

Now my question is

1. Out of which two job offers I have a good chance of applying for my residency as soon as my course finishes.

the first one I would start with a title of bakery assistant and would move up to baker
the second one I would need a title of chef.

I have had a talk with both pack and save and the family run business and they both say that they would help.


Please guide me on this I have been looking up on the immigration website and I am getting confused.My confusion is that Baker is in list of Skilled occupations and immediate skill shortage where as chef is in long term skill shortage and skilled occupations list.

Which out of these two gives me an opportunity to apply for residency after my study finishes.
Please help.
cheers

[JandM]

You need to concentrate on exactly what your duties would be in each job - the title doesn't matter (because any employer can call a job whatever he likes).

Here is the ANZSCO page for 'baker' http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@....nd+Pastrycooks, and here is the description under List of Skilled Occupations http://skillshortages.immigration.govt.nz/baker/ of what you would need to show to get the points for skilled employment for your Residence application (on the EOI) http://skillshortages.immigration.govt.nz/baker/.

And here is the ANZSCO page for 'chef' http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@....OUP+3513+Chefs, with the description under List of Skilled Occupations. http://skillshortages.immigration.govt.nz/chef

The difference that I notice is that you need to show five years' experience in a specific kind of establishment, as well as your qualification, for 'chef', if you need the bonus points to get your total up to 100 or more for the EOI.

My confusion is that Baker is in list of Skilled occupations and immediate skill shortage where as chef is in long term skill shortage and skilled occupations list.

When a job is in the list of skilled occupations, it means you can put this on your EOI for Residence under SMC, and you will get 50 points (or 60 if you have been working there full time for 12 months or more), so that is true for both your possibilities. Being on the Immediate Skills Shortage List will get you an Essential Skills visa without a labour check, but it gives you nothing towards points on your EOI. Being on the LTSSL lets you claim bonus points on your EOI for job and qualification being in an area of absolute skills shortage.

However, it looks as though, with 40 points for your qualification, and however many you are due for age, you would pass the hundred you need to get selected, without needing bonus points.

So I think your situation comes down to this. Both the jobs offered you, IF they closely match the ANZSCO description, could get you enough points to allow you to apply for Residence and have your EOI selected at the next draw. It is that close match to ANZSCO requirements that is necessary, so that is what you need to check out.

[Harry_5598]

The difference that I notice is that you need to show five years' experience in a specific kind of establishment, as well as your qualification, for 'chef', if you need the bonus points to get your total up to 100 or more for the EOI.

However, it looks as though, with 40 points for your qualification, and however many you are due for age, you would pass the hundred you need to get selected, without needing bonus points.

Thanks for your reply much appreciate that.So it does not matter if I have 5 years of experience as a chef as long as I have the points to file for an EOI
and my tittle doesnot matter but the duties I do is what that matters.

So if I take up the chefs job and keep working there part time as I am only allowed part time after my study we can apply for a work visa and then apply for residency yeah.
I do meet the required points for the EOI.

Cheers

[JandM]

Yes, that will be true for either of the jobs, as long as your duties match ANZSCO, as already said. Regarding work visas, either job will qualify you for an Essential Skills visa without the labour check, but only the chef job will qualify you instead for Work to Residence http://www.immigration.govt.nz/migra...ce/default.htm, if you preferred to go for that one. If you do get WTR, you don't HAVE to wait the two years and then go for Residence From Work - you can still put in your EOI for Residence under SMC as soon as is convenient.

[Harry_5598]

either job will qualify you for an Essential Skills visa without the labour check

I have already had a one year open work permit that we used to get after our studies when I studied before so is it correct when you say that we dont have to do the labour market check ( working in canterbury so the job has to be listed on canterbury hub ).
So if My employers give me fulltime contract I can apply for work visa yeah.NO NEED TO ADVERTISE YEAH.

Sorry for being annoying but there is so much going on in my head at the moment.

Cheers

[JandM]

I don't see what you mean about the open work visa after studying. That has nothing with any application you make now. See my bolding here. That's INZ telling you!

http://www.immigration.govt.nz/migra.../requirements/

I have a job offer from a New Zealand employer

If you have a job offer from a New Zealand employer and do not fall under one of the categories for specialist workers below, you may apply under the Essential Skills work category. The employer will need to show that no New Zealand citizens or residents are available to do the job, either by:

showing that the job is included in one of the Essential Skills In Demand Lists; or
providing evidence that they have genuinely tried to find a New Zealand worker to fill the position.

In addition, you must be appropriately qualified by training or experience to take up the position. See the full list of requirements.

[Harry_5598]

I don't see what you mean about the open work visa after studying. That has nothing with any application you make now.

Oh sorry I meant the open work permit that every student used to get after they complete their study I think they used to call it the JOB SEARCH VISA and after my current studies I am not entitled to get any work visa unless I have a job and the employer who is going to help me.

do we have to list the job vacancy on Canterbury Hub as to prove that the employer made genuine attempts to hire NZ residents and Citizens.I just need to clarify this part.
I think we have too ae.

Please reply.
Cheers

[JandM]

No, because you would satisfy the OTHER condition. It's EITHER "showing that the job is included in one of the Essential Skills In Demand Lists; OR providing evidence that they have genuinely tried to find a New Zealand worker to fill the position." As long as your new job will be in line with the requirements for Essential Skills (see those links I gave you above) from the outset, your employer doesn't have to do the Canterbury Hub thing.

[Harry_5598]

Thanks for your reply.I will get back to you if I have more questions.
cheers