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    Default Italian Birth Certificate with no parents names!

    Hi there

    Need help! My partner has applied for residency partnership and we have provided a Birth Cert (Italian translated) as well as a Family Status Certificate (Italian translated) as the Birth Certificate doesn't have the parents names. Our issue is that the Family Status Certificate, which lists the family members, is based on registered residency at the local mayors office. My partners residency is in Australia, so he is not listed on the Family Status Certificate at all!
    So, we don't have any legal document that shows his birth information and his parents names! What do we do?
    As far as I can see we can't state that his birth certificate is 'unobtainable' = as we have it, it's just not a "full" cert.
    But we also can't provide a document with both his and his parents names? How do we prove this? What kind of official document would we need? A translated letter from the Mayor's office explaining that it's customary not to list the parents names?
    To make matters worse, we have been requested the full birth certificate and we have two weeks to provide...even if we could ask for a special certificate with parents names, there's no way we can receive it from italy in order to translate it, certify it, and upload it within two weeks...

    Thanks for any help anyone can give.

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    Can you contact schools he attended with parents name ? Maybe from kindergarten till any level ?
    Passport details in the Italian system may have parents name , if possible get copies from the govt body that handles passport, any official documents of the parents having his name as their child ?
    Think wide , if it's not possible to get the full birth certificate and write an email explaining why . My own suggestion if it's not possible to get the full birth certificate.
    When did you apply?
    Last edited by onyiking; 18th August 2019 at 07:15 AM.

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    A couple of years ago, the government instructed INZ to set short deadlines when asking for more information, in the belief that this would speed up processing. In practice, INZ COs know perfectly well that people cannot magic up evidence in no time flat, especially if it has to be asked for from third parties, and/or has to be sent from overseas. If an applicant responds within the deadline and explains what they are doing to meet the request (and preferably shows some evidence, for instance, a copy of an email sent asking for whatever), then normally, the CO will allow reasonable extra time without a problem.

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    We have hit a similar issue on our skilled migrant application, my girlfriend's dad's name is not on her birth certificate. A couple of lawyers (one specialising in immigration and 2 others) said they couldn't possible discriminate against her for this and expecting us to get an old man the other side of the world to do a paternity test was unreasonable demand.

    When we called immigration and said that that was ridiculous initially they said tough, the third advisor we tried there spoke to her supervisor and said submit the birth certificate with an affidavit saying who her dad is if we knew. We made sure to say in that as far as we know it's him and we have no reason to doubt the information her mum supplied. Time will tell if they accept it but it's a pain that we had to ask 3 times to come up with a rational solution to what I don't think should be a big problem.

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    If your partner is Italian he needs the extract of the birth certificate ( estratto del certificato di nascita). He can require it only in the town where he was born.

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    Quote Originally Posted by onyiking View Post
    Can you contact schools he attended with parents name ? Maybe from kindergarten till any level ?
    Passport details in the Italian system may have parents name , if possible get copies from the govt body that handles passport, any official documents of the parents having his name as their child ?
    Think wide , if it's not possible to get the full birth certificate and write an email explaining why . My own suggestion if it's not possible to get the full birth certificate.
    When did you apply?
    Yes, great idea. He will have christening certificate. I will ask his mum. We applied in March 2019.

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    J and M Thank you so much, this makes me feel a bit better This will likely be what we have to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco83 View Post
    If your partner is Italian he needs the extract of the birth certificate ( estratto del certificato di nascita). He can require it only in the town where he was born.
    Thanks, we already have this document and have submitted it in March, but it doesn't have the parents names on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deverett View Post
    We have hit a similar issue on our skilled migrant application, my girlfriend's dad's name is not on her birth certificate. A couple of lawyers (one specialising in immigration and 2 others) said they couldn't possible discriminate against her for this and expecting us to get an old man the other side of the world to do a paternity test was unreasonable demand.

    When we called immigration and said that that was ridiculous initially they said tough, the third advisor we tried there spoke to her supervisor and said submit the birth certificate with an affidavit saying who her dad is if we knew. We made sure to say in that as far as we know it's him and we have no reason to doubt the information her mum supplied. Time will tell if they accept it but it's a pain that we had to ask 3 times to come up with a rational solution to what I don't think should be a big problem.
    Hope this goes well for you!

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    That's strange because if your partner isn't an orphan and he was born in Italy it should have the name of the parents in it.
    Just be sure to not be confused with the regular birth certificate that it's released from the town where he has Italian residence.
    Just to clarify the estratto of certificato di nascita is multilingual,so you don't need to traslate it.

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