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    Hi there,
    Anybody able to help?
    We are keen on returning to NZ from the UK with our 3 kids (we all have NZ citizenship).
    The problem is would my folks be able to come too? They are in the lucky position to be able to afford to come financially, but I worry whether my mum would pass the medical (no worries about dad). She is 80 and her health has deteriorated in the last few years. She broke her hip badly and is registered disabled (she has osteoporosis i think)., has had a mini stroke a year ago and a few weeks ago had to have a pacemaker fitted. She has had lots of costly investigations over the last year or so (mri, ct scan etc) and is on medication. She's also had a couple of bouts of pneumonia i think over the past few years.
    Are these things that would preclude her from passing a medical? i'm presuming they would but seeking any advice from someone who might understand the criteria a bit better than me . I don't even want to broach the subject of us moving back if i think there's no chance of her passing the medical.
    I'd be grateful if anybody had any advice.
    Many thanks.

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    See A4.10.1. https://www.immigration.govt.nz/opsmanual/#46506.htm I'm sorry to say that I think your mother would be unable to pass the medical.

    In any case, apart from the fact that ALL applications for visas from overseas applicants are suspended at the moment because of the pandemic https://www.immigration.govt.nz/abou...ction-eoi-fees, the parent resident visa has been suspended indefinitely for some time. https://www.immigration.govt.nz/new-...-resident-visa The banner on that page saying that it's due to Covid-19 restrictions is misleading; the previous government had put a stop on all EOIs and processing of applications already in at the time of the inefficient reorganization of INZ. No statement was forthcoming as to when the category might be reopened. And of course, since then, everything has gone into limbo because of the worldwide upheaval due to the pandemic.

    When eventually some control of the pandemic is achieved, which will be the trigger for the NZ government to reopen the borders, your parents would be able to use visitors' visas to spend half their time in NZ. https://www.immigration.govt.nz/new-...isa#conditions

    Duration – Visitors and tourists

    You can visit New Zealand as a genuine tourist for up to 9 months in an 18-month period.

    The 18-month period is calculated backwards from the last day you intend to be in New Zealand.
    If the last day you’ll be here is 1 December, then your 18-month period will begin on 1 June of the year before.

    You can apply for another 3 months’ stay and extend your stay to 12 months in a 24-month period, if:

    you need more time to complete your tourist itinerary
    you can’t leave New Zealand for reasons beyond your control
    you’ve applied for residence for the first time.

    To apply for another 3 months’ stay, you must have financially supported yourself and not worked, studied or been sponsored during your stay.

    If you’ve recently visited New Zealand for a total of 12 months, you have to remain outside New Zealand for 12 months before you can apply for another Visitor Visa.
    You may come across mention of the Parent/Grandparent visitor visa https://www.immigration.govt.nz/new-...y-visitor-visa being more economical than ordinary visitor's visas, but this would not be a good choice for your parents given your mother's health, as a full medical is required for it. It has happened to other people on these threads that their parent has applied for this visa and been refused because of their state of health, then they have been refused a visitor's visa, though they wouldn't ordinarily have needed a medical for it - it appears that once INZ gains knowledge of someone's ill-health, they aren't then allowed to ignore it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JandM View Post
    In any case, apart from the fact that ALL applications for visas from overseas applicants are suspended at the moment because of the pandemic https://www.immigration.govt.nz/abou...ction-eoi-fees, the parent resident visa has been suspended indefinitely for some time. https://www.immigration.govt.nz/new-...-resident-visa The banner on that page saying that it's due to Covid-19 restrictions is misleading; the previous government had put a stop on all EOIs and processing of applications already in at the time of the inefficient reorganization of INZ. No statement was forthcoming as to when the category might be reopened. And of course, since then, everything has gone into limbo because of the worldwide upheaval due to the pandemic.
    Actually, this appears to be the lesser-known (and somewhat confusingly named) Parent Retirement Resident Visa, which remained open while the Parent Resident Visa didn't. Doesn't make a difference to the medical requirements though.

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    ??? Sorry, Kelerei. I don't understand what you're disagreeing with. None of the links I gave goes to the visa you mentioned.

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    Thanks for your help - itís unfortunately as I thought. I guess that scuppers that plan then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JandM View Post
    ??? Sorry, Kelerei. I don't understand what you're disagreeing with. None of the links I gave goes to the visa you mentioned.
    That was simply a possible correction to the EOI information you posted. snoozy71 mentioned that his parents were in the position to afford it financially, which got me thinking that the intention was to go for the little-known Parent Retirement Resident Visa rather than the Parent Resident Visa (yes, the similar naming isn't potentially confusing at all!). The Parent Retirement Resident Visa doesn't have an EOI process, and never closed: very few are able to apply for it due to the high investment requirements that one must meet to be granted one.

    Not that this matters in this case though: no matter which Resident Visa you go for, you're probably not going to get it if there's reasons to decline on health grounds. Just me being my usual pedantic self, that's all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JandM View Post
    The banner on that page saying that it's due to Covid-19 restrictions is misleading; the previous government had put a stop on all EOIs and processing of applications already in at the time of the inefficient reorganization of INZ. No statement was forthcoming as to when the category might be reopened. And of course, since then, everything has gone into limbo because of the worldwide upheaval due to the pandemic.
    Actually, on 24 February 2020, the Parent Resident Visa *did* reopen for EOIs with a new set of criteria. People with EOIs in the pool from the old criteria had the option to update EOIs, or withdraw them if they did not meet the new criteria. It was open for just a few short weeks until Covid-19 closed it again.

    Unfortunately, I am struggling to find the INZ press release on it. But here is the directions for updating EIOs, which contain the date it briefly reopened. https://www.immigration.govt.nz/new-...sions-interest

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    Yes thats right it was The Parent Retirement Resident Visa I was looking at, which has pretty onerous financial requirements but appears to still be open.

    Just re the health requirements (and I'm probably clutching at straws here) do they look at things in isolation or collectively? I had a look at the list that JandM kindly directed me to and I can't see any of my mother's individual conditions listed. She has had costly investigative tests that didn't show anything of concern. The pacemaker was fitted for bradycardia (she had a couple of feinting episodes) which i can't see on the list of heart related issues. I certainly wouldn't say she has been in "good health" the past year but i'm just wondering if that is how the medical assessment process works. She's over 80 so my idea of "good health" might be slightly different to the medical assessor.

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    I do feel for you.

    The requirements for the medical are absolute - there isn't an easy pass on account of age. Here are the formal instructions to doctors carrying out the medical, so you can see what they are required to look at. https://www.immigration.govt.nz/docu...ry/inz1216.pdf

    The medical is all on the basis of likely future cost to the NZ Health Service. Any condition that is likely to need treatment, medication and/or extensive care is regarded as a "no". (my bolding)
    A4.10.2 Assessment of whether an applicant for a residence class visa is unlikely to impose significant costs on New Zealand's health services

    The requirement that an applicant for a residence class visa must be unlikely to impose significant costs on New Zealand's health services is not met if, in the opinion of an Immigration New Zealand medical assessor, there is a relatively high probability that the applicant's medical condition or group of conditions will require health services costing in excess of NZ$41,000.

    Note: Assessment will be in terms of current costs with no inflation adjustment.
    In the case of acute medical conditions, the medical assessor will provide an opinion on whether there is a relatively high probability that the condition or group of conditions will require health services costing in excess of NZ$41,000 within a period of five years from the date the assessment against health requirements is made.
    In the case of chronic recurring medical conditions, the medical assessor will provide an opinion on whether, over the predicted course of the condition or group of conditions, there is a relatively high probability that the condition or group of conditions will require health services costing in excess of NZ$41,000.
    The following factors have no bearing on whether an applicant is unlikely to impose significant costs on health services:
    The ability of a person or organisation to pay for health services, pharmaceuticals, or residential care which may be required.
    The ability of an applicant to gain access to the private health system.
    The applicant’s possession of health insurance.
    The capacity of family, friends, or a charitable organisation to provide care for an applicant.
    https://www.immigration.govt.nz/opsmanual/#46506.htm

    This is what you said about your mother which made me doubt she would be declared ASH (acceptable standard of health).
    She broke her hip badly and is registered disabled (she has osteoporosis i think)., has had a mini stroke a year ago and a few weeks ago had to have a pacemaker fitted.
    I'm looking at "Musculoskeletal diseases or disorders such as osteoarthritis with a high probability of surgery in the next five years." Would her doctors confidently assert that she wouldn't need any further surgery in this five-year time frame? Cerebro-vascular disease - what caused the mini-stroke? Also, the cardiac diseases paragraph - the bracycardia requiring the pacemaker could be due to disease - again, would the specialists testify that she wouldn't need more treatment?

    In your place, I think I would ask your mother's various specialists for a frank opinion on that basis, to see if there is any realistic chance of acceptance.

    There is a page about medical waivers https://www.immigration.govt.nz/opsmanual/#45636.htm, which I suppose may come into play if your father can get ASH, and as the financial incentive is there, but there's no certainty.

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    very useful info, thanks so much for your help.

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